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Post by stepshieq on Aug 18, 2017 13:21:12 GMT
There are some awesome ideas on here! I'm loving this conversation!
I think Cleo put a limit on how many points a show can give out for first place (20 or 25 I think?) so that option is limited.
Offering a money prize is an interesting idea I'd be willing to try to see if that enourgaed entries!
In terms of strict tack, I agree with Rika that I try to base my shows in reality as much as possible. Typically requirements for dressage are stricter than other disciplines, having worked for an FEI silver medalist trainer who was very picky and wouldn't let me put white polos on my horse for an unrecognized schooling show I felt that first hand haha! My understanding for dressage is, in the USA, anything above a schooling show (basically a practice show with a friendly, less competitive atmosphere) your horse is not allowed leg protection. A dressage horse should be able to complete the movements without knocking themselves, leg protection during the test indicates that there's a risk they could clip themselves and that is incorrect movement. Your saddle pad must be white and there are specific requirements of how large a logo or any non-white space can be. They are also extremely particular about what types of bit and noseband you can use. I try to be as flexible as possible, but I base my shows in realism and you are not allowed to show in a bitless bridle and a bright pink saddle pad at a dressage show in real life. You could get a score, but not be eligible for ribbons and you'd unfortunately be laughed out of the ring. I love to ride with lots of color and fun accessories when I train, but I like to take my presentation seriously when I show. Typically the only color requirements I have for tack and clothing in other disciplines is to match your colors and have show jackets be a dark color. I've been thinking of going through my guidelines and trying to re-word them and thin out anything unnecessary so they don't look as intimidating.
Again, this discussion is wonderful and I'm really enjoying reading everyone's comments!
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Addelyn Hobbs
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Post by Addelyn Hobbs on Aug 18, 2017 14:35:36 GMT
My understanding for dressage is, in the USA, anything above a schooling show (basically a practice show with a friendly, less competitive atmosphere) your horse is not allowed leg protection. A dressage horse should be able to complete the movements without knocking themselves, leg protection during the test indicates that there's a risk they could clip themselves and that is incorrect movement. Your saddle pad must be white and there are specific requirements of how large a logo or any non-white space can be. They are also extremely particular about what types of bit and noseband you can use. I try to be as flexible as possible, but I base my shows in realism and you are not allowed to show in a bitless bridle and a bright pink saddle pad at a dressage show in real life. You could get a score, but not be eligible for ribbons and you'd unfortunately be laughed out of the ring. I love to ride with lots of color and fun accessories when I train, but I like to take my presentation seriously when I show. This is exactly how I feel, and this is very well stated. Dressage is all about that refinement and showing off how well in-tune and balanced your horse is with his/her rider. Though aurora, you bring up an interesting point in regards to show jumping and eventing. As a rule, I've always allowed more freedom tack wise..only required that you have leg protection and that the colors match. As a whole, I suppose I'm more interested in seeing understanding of the discipline, rather than what they look like for show jumping and eventing. |
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Post by Rika Aven on Aug 18, 2017 17:44:07 GMT
I base the tack I allow in my shows from real life show rules found on google and based on my own observations when watching clips on YouTube and being on competitions in real life. For example, some bridles won't be accepted in the show ring and therefore I don't allow them either. And really, I might be turned off from entering a show if the host is very slack with the tack and attire, because to me that's a signal that they don't really care about the entries being correct and then that reflects in how they judge (as in, they might not have enough knowledge to judge if a horse is moving properly, rider is sitting correct etc)... that's me wanting some structure and sense to shows and for them to resemble real life as close as is possible with a game and I understand that's not the goal for everyone or what everyone wants. Like yeah, I understand that the strict requirements on some shows about what colour tack (at least in showjumping and cross country, dressage does tend to be stricter) can be frustrating. At least in the lower levels, such as Beginner and Novice, the attire and tack is a bit more free but the higher up you go the more specific it gets (like how at riding school competitions your dressage horse is allowed leg protection, but if you'd entered the Olympic they wouldn't be allowed it). I don't really see, though, how changing the colour of your saddle pad would make you less comfortable? It's just a colour and many pads come in different colours, you can even ride in it a few times before so it's not brand-new-stiff and I'd assume that a regular competitor would buy a saddle that suits competing and either use it regularly or enough to also be comfortable in it compared to the everyday saddle. I know of dressage riders from my old riding school that had two saddles, one dressage that they used during shows and when training specifically dressage and one all-purpose that they used at any other time. I do understand that in olympic level its pretty strict, but in lets say a local level show, I don't really think so. Obviously, in real life, some people will already have the most expensive brand saddles, and some will have cheap ones for a horse they are leasing (just making up something). In an olympic level, everyone has huge sponsors, the best bred horses (usually), and the best tack. For me, the colour of the saddle pad reflects a specific horse, their personality, and more. It also just looks good if the tack is matching and not everything is white, in my opinion. No, the judge shouldn't be sloppy about the tack, but some rules really are strict. Personally, I just feel more confortable with tack freedom, and I think that's how real life riders feel too. I don't compete in real life, so I find most of my knowledge on the internet (I ride natural horsemanship), I'm just assuming that real life riders are also more confortable if they can ride in their usual training equipment, just a little more preppier since its still a show. I understand that you don't agree, with me, I just said my own opinion. I do agree with some parts, like how the lower levels aren't as strict. I've competed in dressage and showjumping, both two times each, at quite low levels (local riding school for three, upper secondary school for the second dressage). In all those we just used whatever the school horses used everyday, though at the upper secondary we got a fancier saddle pad with the school's name on it. I can see how Beginner and Novice would be pretty free with the rules, I don't remember what I put on mine currently running 3DE but without checking I think I said any colour saddle pad was allowed.. if not that is something I've planned for the jumping and cross country. Though I do think that at Intermediate and Advanced you're "high enough" to get fancier with white saddle pad and stricter dress code. |
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Post by Rika Aven on Aug 18, 2017 17:48:42 GMT
stepshieq Do you suppose doing a full on guide regarding tack and attire would be helpful? Something people can use in their shows, if matching real life is something they're interested in? (with possibility to adapt of course) Be careful with the prize amount though, it could turn into a reverse clothes sale, sort of XD Instead of lower prices to attract customer show hosts might keep raising and raising the winnings to make people enter THEIR show, causing inflation XD
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Post by Jane Rader on Aug 18, 2017 18:59:40 GMT
stepshieq Do you suppose doing a full on guide regarding tack and attire would be helpful? Something people can use in their shows, if matching real life is something they're interested in? (with possibility to adapt of course) Be careful with the prize amount though, it could turn into a reverse clothes sale, sort of XD Instead of lower prices to attract customer show hosts might keep raising and raising the winnings to make people enter THEIR show, causing inflation XD I have already have a tack guide pretty much fully written up, I discussed this idea with you before I went on holiday..? Though I suppose that can just be discarded if someone else intends to do a full attire guide inc. human attire. |
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Post by Rika Aven on Aug 18, 2017 19:03:20 GMT
stepshieq Do you suppose doing a full on guide regarding tack and attire would be helpful? Something people can use in their shows, if matching real life is something they're interested in? (with possibility to adapt of course) Be careful with the prize amount though, it could turn into a reverse clothes sale, sort of XD Instead of lower prices to attract customer show hosts might keep raising and raising the winnings to make people enter THEIR show, causing inflation XD I have already have a tack guide pretty much fully written up, I discussed this idea with you before I went on holiday..? Though I suppose that can just be discarded if someone else intends to do a full attire guide inc. human attire. Oh, right! Is it ready to be posted soon? Then someone could follow up with attire for sims. |
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Post by aurorasparks on Aug 18, 2017 19:15:00 GMT
This is a complete missunderstanding, sorry! I wasn't saying this about dressage, I was more talking about SJ, my main descipline. The tack options there are way less limited.
And the tack guide is a good idea!
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Post by Rika Aven on Aug 18, 2017 20:08:15 GMT
This is a complete missunderstanding, sorry! I wasn't saying this about dressage, I was more talking about SJ, my main descipline. The tack options there are way less limited. And the tack guide is a good idea! Oh hahah, I just assumed it touched all disciplines and it turned into a dressage topic xD I've said it once but I'll say it again, agreed that SJ seems to be more free with what one is allowed to wear in the ring. In real life. |
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Post by Addelyn Hobbs on Aug 18, 2017 20:36:41 GMT
Ok as far as a tack guide goes, what is the general idea? Do we want one master tack guide, or separate ones? If we go with a master tack guide, I think it would be beneficial to separate the different disciplines by post (perhaps even someone knowledgeable in that particular discipline makes/posts it).
Back to the subject at hand...I suppose we could talk more about what makes us want to enter shows in general. I'm sure that would give everyone a better picture of the problem we are currently having with that.
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stepshieq
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Post by stepshieq on Aug 19, 2017 1:10:11 GMT
I have already have a tack guide pretty much fully written up, I discussed this idea with you before I went on holiday..? Though I suppose that can just be discarded if someone else intends to do a full attire guide inc. human attire. Oh, right! Is it ready to be posted soon? Then someone could follow up with attire for sims. That would be an awesome thing to share! I think if there was a visual component to show that it's actually fairly simple would be really helpful for people who might feel intimidated. I didn't even think of the risk of "inflation" Rika, that's a good point!! Maybe reserve money prizes for bigger shows? I think that's what I might do personally... |
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Post by stepshieq on Aug 19, 2017 1:11:35 GMT
Ok as far as a tack guide goes, what is the general idea? Do we want one master tack guide, or separate ones? If we go with a master tack guide, I think it would be beneficial to separate the different disciplines by post (perhaps even someone knowledgeable in that particular discipline makes/posts it). Back to the subject at hand...I suppose we could talk more about what makes us want to enter shows in general. I'm sure that would give everyone a better picture of the problem we are currently having with that. I think breaking it down by the major disciplines that we see on the forum, so dressage, show jumping, cross country, and hunters? I'd be more than happy to help! It might be interesting to move this discussion onto sims 3 facebook groups too, to get some more perspectives and see what inspires people to enter shows. |
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Post by Rika Aven on Aug 19, 2017 11:33:29 GMT
Ok as far as a tack guide goes, what is the general idea? Do we want one master tack guide, or separate ones? If we go with a master tack guide, I think it would be beneficial to separate the different disciplines by post (perhaps even someone knowledgeable in that particular discipline makes/posts it). Back to the subject at hand...I suppose we could talk more about what makes us want to enter shows in general. I'm sure that would give everyone a better picture of the problem we are currently having with that. I think breaking it down by the major disciplines that we see on the forum, so dressage, show jumping, cross country, and hunters? I'd be more than happy to help! It might be interesting to move this discussion onto sims 3 facebook groups too, to get some more perspectives and see what inspires people to enter shows. Or just link to this thread so they have a reason to go on EA and not just stick to the group  |
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Post by Rika Aven on Aug 19, 2017 11:35:21 GMT
Oh, right! Is it ready to be posted soon? Then someone could follow up with attire for sims. That would be an awesome thing to share! I think if there was a visual component to show that it's actually fairly simple would be really helpful for people who might feel intimidated. I didn't even think of the risk of "inflation" Rika, that's a good point!! Maybe reserve money prizes for bigger shows? I think that's what I might do personally... What I'll do with my 3DE is that a cash prize will only be up for grabs in the final stage, when the official winners are being decided. That way, only those that entered in the Dressage and Showjumping and qualified are welcome to compete so nobody will join solely for the money  EA official shows could have cash prizes, I figure. |
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Post by Jacqueline M. Daniels on Aug 22, 2017 17:31:53 GMT
This may be totally unrelated and a bit out there, but maybe we need a couple people on staff (or just volunteers) that will judge shows that are hosted, people have entered then the show host just...disappears and doesnt seem inclined to judge their own show. Really frustrating when you make multiple entries and put all that time and effort into it. Maybe even make some kind of penalty for hosting a show then not judging within a reasonable amount of time without explanation...? I say this because I can list two shows currently that ended last month, its now nearing the end of this month, and results have yet to be posted or mentioned by the show host despite both being online around the 20th of this month. It makes me less inclined to join shows if I dont know the person hosting and see them around the community a lot.
And I do agree its hard to see whats open and whats closed without going through every show thread to be absolutely sure since not everyone posts deadlines/open/closed in the title. Maybe we need a 'closed shows' board where they will be moved after they are over.
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Post by hillmyer estates on Aug 25, 2017 2:04:02 GMT
i agree with everyone so far! i also think that i'm not as eager to enter shows that have a very long deadline (as in over a month) so maybe we can aim to have about a 3 week deadline for shows?
also, as someone said before, it would be fun to have little roleplays inserted into entries like on ES sims. i also really liked when people were a bit more specific on how the photos were to be; such as specifying an arena and sunny day, etc. but it all really depends on what kind of show you're hosting.
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