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Post by stepshieq on Mar 1, 2018 19:38:52 GMT
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Post by Alexandra Richmond on Mar 2, 2018 10:33:45 GMT
Another thing to remember, is that the legs in the trot, always follow each other diagonally. One of the extended trot pictures you posted as a good pose reference, is not trotting correctly
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Post by stepshieq on Mar 2, 2018 12:00:52 GMT
Another thing to remember, is that the legs in the trot, always follow each other diagonally. One of the extended trot pictures you posted as a good pose reference, is not trotting correctly Yes that's true, any trot pose should have the legs working diagonally, anything else is a pace. Yes that image of Dante is a bit wonky and looks a bit like the trot is incorrect, but I was mainly looking for good examples of head carriage tbh haha
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Post by Alexandra Richmond on Mar 3, 2018 10:32:02 GMT
Another thing to remember, is that the legs in the trot, always follow each other diagonally. One of the extended trot pictures you posted as a good pose reference, is not trotting correctly Yes that's true, any trot pose should have the legs working diagonally, anything else is a pace. Yes that image of Dante is a bit wonky and looks a bit like the trot is incorrect, but I was mainly looking for good examples of head carriage tbh haha It's really hard to find a pictures with a horse carrying it's head correct, collected correctly and where the legs are following each other XDD
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Post by stepshieq on Mar 3, 2018 15:34:59 GMT
Yes that's true, any trot pose should have the legs working diagonally, anything else is a pace. Yes that image of Dante is a bit wonky and looks a bit like the trot is incorrect, but I was mainly looking for good examples of head carriage tbh haha It's really hard to find a pictures with a horse carrying it's head correct, collected correctly and where the legs are following each other XDD Too true! With the limited poses available, I honestly only penalize poor head position if it's LDR/ rolkur or glaringly above the vertical. It's not fair to nitpick too closely when we're limited by available poses!
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Post by Kendra Longson on Mar 16, 2018 14:46:38 GMT
Thanks for this, I for one as you know have been terrible with pictures for dressage. One thing that I think would be a good idea is to have a thread with accepted poses available for download, that people won’t be marked down for using. With the different horse templates being used, some can look as though they use rolkur but that’s not the entrants fault if you know what I mean. I do hours of searching online for poses for dressage and the template is an issue for me. It’s temporarily put me off showing as no matter what I do adjusting my horses template, it still shows up behind the vertical. Not a complaint, just a thought
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Post by stepshieq on Mar 20, 2018 20:51:34 GMT
Thanks for this, I for one as you know have been terrible with pictures for dressage. One thing that I think would be a good idea is to have a thread with accepted poses available for download, that people won’t be marked down for using. With the different horse templates being used, some can look as though they use rolkur but that’s not the entrants fault if you know what I mean. I do hours of searching online for poses for dressage and the template is an issue for me. It’s temporarily put me off showing as no matter what I do adjusting my horses template, it still shows up behind the vertical. Not a complaint, just a thought That can be tricky, a lot of the neck and head sliders will cause this. Most posepacks I've found for dressage are pretty good. I'm not sure what sliders you have installed but that can be a trickier issue to correct if something in the template messes with the head and neck connection on your horse... I'm not sure where to point you for that! These are pose packs that I use the most from: stablewelcometoparadise.weebly.com/poses.htmlraymondequestriancentre.weebly.com/poselisted.htmles-ccdatabase.blogspot.com/2017/03/hesterfield-poses.htmles-ccdatabase.blogspot.com/2017/03/hesterfield-slack-pack-volume-1.html
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Post by Kendra Longson on Mar 21, 2018 12:27:09 GMT
Ahh right I might need to uninstall my sliders to see if they are affecting the pose directly then. Thank you
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Post by stepshieq on Mar 27, 2018 12:54:22 GMT
Ahh right I might need to uninstall my sliders to see if they are affecting the pose directly then. Thank you You're welcome! I hope that helps!
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Post by Deheive Aro on Apr 4, 2018 21:43:37 GMT
I find horses with big crests - some WBs especially stallions and Spanish types. Its impossible for their pole to be the highest point while working on the bit. Same with Valegro, his nose is vertical but there is no way his pole can physically be the highest point unless held very tight - bring the neck up
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Post by Deheive Aro on Apr 4, 2018 21:46:30 GMT
And personally I think neck and legs are indicator to the concept of dresssage - throughness. At lower levels young horses could work in a slightly lower outline to encourage them to work and strengthen their back properly
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Post by stepshieq on Apr 5, 2018 12:26:52 GMT
And personally I think neck and legs are indicator to the concept of dresssage - throughness. At lower levels young horses could work in a slightly lower outline to encourage them to work and strengthen their back properly I absolutely agree on both those points, it shows how much the aesthetics of incorrect dressage has infiltrated the sport that we're breeding horses that aren't physically capable of working correctly because it looks pretty. It's a shame, but unfortunately a trend is a trend as we'll just have to wait and see where it goes in the next 10-20 years. Of course a young horse shouldn't be pushed into a frame too early, long, slow, proper development is so so so crucial to a long and SOUND career and it's so frustrating to me to see all these incentives towards competing horses younger and younger. I can see where there is so much money in breeding, training, and competing these horses that investors want to see a return ASAP, but that doesn't make it ok. Overall it's a damn shame what happens in equine sport sometimes...
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Post by Deheive Aro on Apr 9, 2018 18:08:25 GMT
In this photo, his nose is vertical but his neck is too cresty for his pole to be the highest point. We can see his muscle line on the neck, skeletal wise his pole is the highest point.
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Post by stepshieq on Apr 12, 2018 13:42:17 GMT
Deheive Aro That is true, his poll may be the highest point but he's not working through correctly, his leg angles and hollow back show a lack of throughness. Thought it's difficult to judge how a horse is going based on one photo. It's interesting to compare the classically correct dressage from 20-30 years ago and see how the way judges started pinning flashy movement without true throughness and correctness and how it's influenced breeding and training and the way dressage looks now. Hopefully with more people being aware of this maybe the trends will start to shift soon? Hopefully judges will start to steer away from the flashy incorrect dressage and start pinning riders and horses that really work properly. Time will tell!
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Post by Deheive Aro on Apr 15, 2018 13:42:35 GMT
I have to agree he does look hollow in this photo
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